Hmmm, well I have to say I wasn't that impressed with the programme. Some of the illusions weren't particularly impressive (especially when you're married to a former magician's assistant), and they only used the clips of us reading the passages to camera, didn't use any of the descriptions or unpacking of the passages that took the best part of a day to shoot (a waste of money on their part apart from anything else). But on the whole it was quite entertaining, and as they said at the beginning they were tricks inspired by the miracles, not attempts to replicate them. The second part, Tricks from the Bible is on at Easter, I'm in that as well.

That's right folks, tonight's the night. Channel 4, 21.00-22.00. The Magic of Jesus featuring yours truly.

Finished and printed out BS203. Had to edit about 150 words out to be within the word range.

Time to start looking at CTW201, as well as revising for the BS203 exam on the first day of term...

It's pretty well snowing here!

Have applied Mauricio's patch to add YaST2 support to the Smart package manager. Have added SUSE 10.0 Oss/Java/Extra repositories, and updated the channel information. Screenshot below shows Smart displaying the repository contents.

Selected a package to install, it was successfully downloaded and installed. Nice one Mauricio! Does it also support YOU repositories?

Merry Christmas to all who may read this.

In what I hope will become a nice family tradition, we are watching a couple of West Wing episodes. Specifically (and here's the point), we're watching the Pilot, and the Christmas episode of Season Six, Impact Winter. Ho ho ho...

• BS203: 1120 words
• Whoops, missed one change required in beagle.spec to allow it to build on x86_64. Not worth me issuing another update to fix it, so if you want to build it on that architecture, change line 154 from --libexecdir=/opt/gnome/lib/nautilus \ to --libexecdir=/opt/gnome/%_lib/nautilus \
• With Smart 0.41 being out, I made the switch to it, and I have to say I like it a lot. At some point, I'll be adding it to the list of ways to install my packages, along with a downloadable channel information file for usr-local-bin. Roll on YaST repository support

Uploaded updated beagle packages (0.1.4-0.1). Reasons:

• Make beagle-python a separate package
• The .src.rpm should now rebuild on x86_64 correctly now

Go wild!

Beagle 0.1.4 is out, and packages for 10.0 (i586 and i686) are being uploaded to the usr-local-bin repository for your installing pleasure. Feature-wise these packages are maxed out and include the Python bindings, which I may in future strip out as a separate beagle-python package.

Expect a rant soon about my CPU overheating when trying to build the GIMP, causing the build to fail. The OpenSUSE build server can't come quick enough...

Going to be starting my BS203 text study shortly...

After some discussion on the packaging list, Pascal has produced packages of Gaim 2.0.0beta1. I'm very glad for him to maintain packages rather than me, given the little time I have to dedicate to it these days, and they seem pretty stable. If you try them out, remember to send him feedback on them.

Sao Paulo v Liverpool
Today; Yokohama Stadium, Japan; 10.20 GMT.

Now that, rather inconveniently, clashes with Church this morning. So, the VCR is set, and the whole match will be recorded. My mobile phone is off, and we'll be playing a CD in the car to avoid hearing the result on the radio. If anyone tells me the score before I watch the match when I get home I will quite simply have to kill them!

Update: Okay, now I'm miserable. Sao Paulo 1-0 Liverpool.

Mauricio: bought myself a christma's gift ...

Now, let's ignore the fact that Christmas is spelt with an upper-case C, and go straight for the stray apostrophe. The way you've spelt it means a gift belonging to christma, whoever that may be. The correct usage would be Christmas gift.

May I recommend Eats, Shoots & Leaves (sic) by Lynne Truss?

We took Tia to the vet today because she'd been suffering a bit recently due to old age (she was about two years, three months old), and the result was that she was put to sleep - she basically had no quality of life and not long to go.

This is how we'll remember her - in her youth as a proud mum.

Was tonight (in fact, it's still going on...)

Forgot to take my camera, but it was a fantastic night. House band, The Apostles, absolutely rocked, and the guest/resident DJ (from Radio 1, Jo T's brother) is playing a storming set as I type.

Liverpool 3-0 Deportivo Saprissa.
The lads simply outclassed the Costa Rican side to make it to the final of the World Club Championship, as well as achieving a club record of eleven successive competitive clean sheets. Bring on Sao Paulo - with Crouch in this form I really fancy their chances. Was listening in our lecture with Ian and was found out later today - whoops!

Wow, Justin may not blog all that often, but when he does, he really goes to town...

Welcome to Planet SUSE, Mauricio. Mauricio's going to be working on adding YaST repository support to Smart, along with Pascal and Christoph. Also welcome to Larry. Larry's blog is packed with handy hints and tips on SUSE, as well as bits of news from the Novell world that he's picked up.

There was a power outage here at 05:39 GMT this morning. Annoyingly, home.rubberturnip.org.uk (web/mail server) came up okay when power was restored, but capybara.internal.rubberturnip.org.uk (DNS server, among other things) did not - its power supply (being about ten years old) does not respond to power being available (and its BIOS won't let it boot without a keyboard attached).

Normal service should now be resumed...

So, less than two weeks until Christmas. I actually found myself this afternoon referring to it as Incarnation-tide because I wanted to keep it in my consciousness that this is the time of year when we remember, but not necessarily when it happened, that 2,000 years ago God became a human being. That he was born in humility and became a refugee before growing up and living in a region that made him an outcast among his own people. He became a political prisoner who was tortured and ultimately brutally executed by an oppressive state before coming back from the dead three days later.

That's why, for me, at this time of year concern for the poor, the disenfranchised, victims of torture, the oppressed are brought into sharper focus.

Ahem, sermon over. (Buy Nothing Christmas)

The weekend's network issues totally killed my plans to spend some of yesterday building SUSE packages of GNOME Art (and the required Ruby bindings etc...).

Will do it as soon as I get a chance.

Last week of term starts tomorrow, College Christmas Bash on Thursday. Vacation here I come!

Some network upgrades were done overnight that affected the line that home.rubberturnip.org.uk is on. This screwed somethings up for me (in terms of outbound HTTP/1.1 being scuppered) and for anyone emailing me (in terms of SMTP routing being b0rked) so anyone who emailed me since around 23.00 GMT yesterday may have to resend.

W00t Christian! Expect a SUSE package to be available this afternoon (it's built, just need to upload it and the servers to sync up).

College service this evening, think everything I need to do is basically done. You never know though...

30^th December, 21:00, Channel 4: The Magic of Jesus, featuring yours truly.

Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool

Liverpool go through as group winners to the knock-out stage of the Champions' League after a match where really I think a draw was the fair result, and 0-0 the scoreline I predicted beforehand.

Getting ready to lead the college service Thursday night, I think it's fair to say that it'll have a bit of a Soul Survivor flavour to it

• Shoot went well, a lot of fun, journey home was hellish due to multiple signal failures in the Loughborough area
• Preached at 9.15 this morning on Gentleness, went okay but could have been a lot better
• Need to add 482 words to my PT202a reflection by 16:00 GMT tomorrow
• I want, want, want one of these!

In London tomorrow for a TV shoot for a programme to be aired on Channel 4 (I think sometime over Christmas). Very exciting - the first media work of this kind I've done. Will try to sport a SUSE pin on my shirt collar.

Create a new Planet site, aggregating news stories from a variety of news sources.

I give you Planet News - note the total lack of design on the site

OpenSUSE Governance.
How are decisions that affect the direction of OpenSUSE development made? Should community members as well as Novell staffers be part of the Core Team? It's all up for discussion.

A while ago there was some discussion on opensuse-edge about renaming that branch of the development tree. I suggested Factory.

Today, the Edge branch was renamed to Factory. I'm really honoured to have contributed this small thing to the community.

Roger: Haaretz (pronounced: Ha-Aretz) means The Earth, or The Land (as in The Land of Israel).

I don't mention that for any other reason than to show off - I've been studying Hebrew

Got the latest Tango this morning, thanks to supplementary/GNOME, and it's really shaping up well. Great to see a few more new icons each time I update.

GNOME Power Manager is heading for a major release, and so I've updated the en_GB translation this morning.

Well, no.

[Ref]
The government has suffered a heavy defeat, losing by a margin of 322 to 291 on the plan to allow police to detain people for up to 90 days without charge. An amendment put forward by a rebel Labour MP setting the time limit at 28 days passed by a margin of 33 votes.

Now, while I would prefer the limit to have remained at 14 days (or even been reduced), 28 days is nowhere near as bad as 90. I applaud parliament for not just giving the police exactly what they what powers they requested. There is a term for societies where that happens, it is a Police State.

What was entertaining was seeing Michael Howard and Clare Short in agreement: They both called for Blair to resign. Hopefully it won't be much longer before he does go.

Imagine that this post is on a black background to commemorate Hubert Mantel's announcement that he is to leave SUSE. Hubert founded the company 13 years ago, and for a long time has been the maintainer of the kernel package.

I owe Hubert a debt of thanks. Working for SUSE was the most enjoyable and productive time of my entire working life, and had he not had the vision to start such a crazy project, I would never have been able to do that.

All the best for the future Hubert.

Stephan: Thanks for the info. You're right in so far as I've never actually bought a copy of NLD

So, I hadn't realised it was a straight impartial choice at install time, however it always seemed to me that Novell preferred GNOME - whenever I saw screenshots produced by Novellians (and admittedly, primarily from the Ximian side ), they were using GNOME.

My personal view, as most people know, is that I prefer GNOME, always have done. That said, I do think that both desktops should be included, and allowed to have as equal a footing as possible. Resources should be put into both so that end users (or customers as some people call them) have a choice. Free Software is supposed to be about choice.

So, the world's been awash with talk of Novell "switching to GNOME", so let's clear some stuff up:

It's just on Novell Linux Desktop (NLD) and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES). Now, NLD is Novell's enterprise desktop product, I'm pretty sure it's always used GNOME, because it has its roots in the period between Novell buying Ximian and them buying SUSE.

In all honesty, if it weren't for the fact that this story covers SLES (and anyone who runs X on SLES should be taken out and shot as a kindness to themselves and the servers in question) it simply wouldn't be news.

Many thanks to radoeka for mentioning on the packaging list the answer to LenZ's observation that Maximum RPM is seriously out of date.

Maximum RPM's apparent successor.

[Ref]
Blunkett resigns from the Cabinet for the second time. let us rejoice and be glad that this corrupt reactionary has again been forced out of front-line politics, and hope he never, ever returns.

Gyah, 'orrible children! You want to knock on my door and get some sweets? You really want to do that? What the hell makes you think that I should give you sweets just because it's Halloween? This isn't America.

Stand up against the tide of Disneyfication and the intimidation of the populous by youths, and say no to Trick or Treat.

Me? I just close the door in their face.

Uploaded gnome-power-manager 0.2.8.1 last night.

[Ref]
Harriet Miers withdraws as Supreme Court nominee after bipartisan opposition.

[Ref]
Grand Jury meets to decide whether to indite the White House Deputy CoS and the VP's CoS over the leaking of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

[Ref]
Protests across the US against the war in Iraq as the US military death toll tops 2,000.

Let's see how much lamer that duck can get. How lame does a duck have to be to be a dead duck?

• Uploaded gnome-menu-editor packages. Guess what it does.
• Better communication and cooperation between third party OpenSUSE packagers. Thanks Pascal.
• Plan to package up the Tango icon theme tomorrow.

Up until 10 minutes ago I had ever boxed edition of SUSE since 6.3 right through to 10.0 on one of our bookcases. In a fit of planet-saving, I've consigned every box (with the exception of the 10.0 one) and every book they contain (except the manual from the 6.3 box I was given when I went for my interview at SUSE, and the latest Admin and User Guides from 9.3) to be recycled.

As I was going through them, I made some interesting discoveries. I'd never noticed before that 7.2 included a SUSE (or SuSE as it was at the time) computer case badge. It's now on the front of Amanda's desktop machine.

Okay, so as of yesterday you can download my mplayerplug-in package to watch Quicktime or Windows Media movies in your browser. Now, how about watching DVDs? SUSE don't supply the ability to play encrypted DVDs because of the knotty legal situation around that. Packman can't and nor can I for the same reasons.

Now, you could roll your own libdvdcss2 package, but why bother? Go to the the libdvdcss2 website, follow the link for releases, and then the latest version (currently 1.2.9). Then, within the rpm directory, download the libdvdcss2-VERSION-BUILD-i386.rpm file, and install as normal.

You should now be able to watch DVDs with Xine, Totem, MPlayer (No menu support) or Kaffeine.

Update: You can now get mplayerplug-in from Packman (via YaST if you desire), so I've removed my packages. Go Packman!

I've uploaded mplayerplug-in packages. These are normally supplied by Packman, but until they add them for 10.0, I've done the honours. The need the MPlayer from Packman.

Gyar! Failed miserably!

Did the quiz at The Cadland tonight, and due to the harshness of the final round, our score was pegged back to 35 points. Going into that round we had 43. The spouses beat us. Fair play.

(Tenuous link ahoy!) WINE 0.9 is out. Yay!

Finally got around to installing 10.0-GM (boxed version) today, and while doing so took the opportunity to redo the partition table on my laptop to make /home massive in order to have a VM for testing the Edge releases (and build packages for them).

Have also got myself a new (very tiny) mouse for the notebook, and when I say tiny, see the image below!

Mad Penguin have a review of SUSE 10.0, which is mosly pretty good (at first scan at least), but suggests that PackMan is the only third party RPM repository available. Now, personally I take that as something of an insult (and will be contacting the author), but it also ignores the great work by Pascal and others.

Speaking of packages, uploaded sensors-applet packages this morning before starting my install - it's a GNOME applet for monitoring your sensors information. Quelle surprise.

There's been some discussion on various lists recently about PackMan being unavailable via YaST. If you're a user of the PackMan respository, please use a mirror to make life easier for yourself and other users.

In other news, seems I forgot to do some updates on usr-local-bin after uploading some new packages (the AbiWord 2.4.1 certainly is affected and anything I uploaded since then), I've now done this so once the servers synchronise, all should be fine.

Uploading gnome-power-manager packages for 10.0.

My little experiment has generated some news: The problem was not the monitor, nor was it Linux. The problem was in fact that the onboard video card had been supplied with next to no RAM allocated to it, so X was scuppered (so would Windows have been probably), simply changing the RAM allocation in the BIOS did the trick.

Uploading AbiWord 2.4.1 packages and libgnomecups packages (the SUSE updates didn't include the -devel package).

Came into college early this morning, and now have the two WAPs bridging between themselves, extending the connection from the wired LAN access in the library all the way to the far end of the Common Room - w00t!

WAPs arrived at college on Friday, had time to set then up as basic access points (encrypted of course), but not to do bridging yet, will do that on Monday.

Committed updated en_GB translation for NetworkManager. Still a few fuzzy strings, but it's a lot better than it was.

Marc:

apt-get dist-upgrade

Cool, my OTS/GCC 4.0 patch is being integrated.

Apologies to anyone who's emailed me recently and not had a reply yet, I've got a bit behind on my mails, and need to have a purge of my inbox at some point soon.

• 1982: The Mary Rose rises from the bottom of the Solent after 437 years
• 1980: Two earthquakes strike northern Algeria killing around 3,500 people
• 2001: My drink is spiked, and my wallet stolen while I'm out in London

Great to see another new addition to the OpenSUSE stable, the BetterDesktop initiative. Undoubtedly work needs to be done on improving all interfaces ("what do you mean I right-click to change something?" - intuitive...), and this can only be good news.

As it happens, I'm doing a little usability experiment with 10.0-GM at the moment. Have given a set of CDs to a couple of friends, who aren't techies, but are what society would consider computer literate. Seems they managed to install okay, but were slightly scuppered at the end of the install by a ropey monitor (possibly). More news as it comes...

• Why you should buy a SUSE Linux 10.0 box, rather than just installing the Evaluation version
• Working on an updated en_GB translation for NetworkManager. It had got really out of date, and is currently full of fuzzy strings.

• Subscribed to opensuse-edge in preparation for the fact that once I actually get around to installing 10.0-GM, I'll be installing 10.1-Alpha in a VM
• Carole and Andrew coming for curry tonight - Yay!
• Make-or-break for Sven

Marcus: Glad the party was good, just sorry I couldn't make it, maybe the next one...

Ruud: In the English translations of the Asterix series of books, this comment by Obelix is rendered "These Romans are crazy"

(I'm very proud of my collection of Asterix books, been a fan since my youth, and they still tickle me)

It arrived yesterday while I was at college, will probably do my install on Saturday, going to redo the partitioning on my hard drive to make /home a lot bigger, so I can host a few virtual machines in it, for the 10.1 tree.

Nat: Fantastic, I might have to give that a whirl, except it will kind of scupper the "Save Session at Logout" option, which is very handy for some people. Panel applets will be picked up, Notification Area things (best, gaim, nm-applet, resapplet, mail-notification, gnome-cups-icon and susewatcher in my case) won't.

Speaking of nm-applet, people trying to use it (that's the GNOME part [although since it lives in the Notification Area guess it would work with KDE too] of NetworkManager) may find they run up against bug #119920, this bug report includes a resolution now. So I'm now using NetworkManager, rather than netapplet, and it's the business, a lot more powerful than netapplet. Now I just need #119921 resolved too...

Uploading abiword[-*] 2.4.0. This will obsolete the abiword-beta packages.

Had my hair done today, had nice red highlights put in, and updated my hackergotchi on Planet SUSE accordingly.

Seems HP is going to install Netscape on all its new PCs.

Why?

Is it 1996 again all of a sudden?

They should follow the One True Way.

Beagle 0.1.1 is out, and I'm just uploading i586 packages for 10.0, will do the i686 packages later.

Update: i686 packages now also uploaded.

Mentioned earlier how to obtain these plugins, now I've uploaded a package that will configure them for your favourite browsers. You need to install the setup-commercial-plugins package, and it will do the rest.

By default it configures all three for Mozilla and Firefox (and I think Konqueror will pick up the plugins from one or other of them), but advanced users can choose to not have it set up specific plugins by editing /etc/sysconfig/commercial-plugins.

Doing a little Wi-Fi test at college, a couple of WAPs have been ordered today, and I'm currently in the Common Room, talking to the temporary one we've put in the library down the hall. So, with the second as a bridge in here, should work a treat...

Once 10.0 comes out, these three plugins will be available from the FTP site's Extra section, but if you can't wait that long, and want a rocking and rolling RPM installable version of these three for SUSE 10.0 OSS, here's the lowdown:

• Get RealPlayer here - get the RealPlayer 10.0.6 Gold RPM
• Get Flash player here - I used the Conectiva package because of the former connection between the two companies
• Get Adobe Reader here - simply select the .rpm version

To install them, you can either use the command-line and run rpm -Uvh filename.rpm as the root user, or even easier, just click on them in your file manager. In both GNOME and KDE, this will open them in KPackage by default. Simply click the Install button at the bottom of the window. This will spawn another window that will give you some options, have the following options enabled:Upgrade, Replace Packages, Check Dependencies. Then click Install again. You will be prompted for the root user's password, and the package will install. Because I've said to have the "Keep this window" option disabled, you will know it has completed the install because the window will then close.

At some point (possibly this afternoon) I'll do a package that will contain a SuSEconfig module to set all three up for Mozilla (and its babies) and Firefox, which should also therefore make them available to Konqueror. When it's done, I'll announce it here of course.

OpenSUSE.org is back.

And of course, when I said the people who did it were crackers, they're little more than script-kiddies.

Firstly, when I said I'd uploaded the new gimp-beta packages, seems I forgot to, y'know, upload them first. Will rectify that this afternoon.

Secondly, seems that overnight the "IHS" team of crackers (let's be quite clear about this, they may call themselves "hackers", but they're not) defaced opensuse.org, forge.novell.com and wiki.novell.com. The last of which, at time of writing, is still defaced, and you can see a screenshot by clicking here. This kind of act is completely mindless, and certainly doesn't make people warm to the cause that IHS claim to be fighting for.

Thirdly, the defacement pales in comparison to this.

Dunno why, but I just had that song "Here I go again on my own..." in my head just then ...

Anyway, in the real world, today was the last day of Induction Week at college. Well, not quite, because tomorrow is the Focus [student spouses' group] induction. Now I know I'm a student rather than a student spouse, but I'm needed to play guitar in the band for the service. This morning, I was leading one of the stations in a Liquid Worship installation in the college chapel, and last night was in the band for the college service, so my guitar's getting a lot of action this week.

10.1-Alpha1 is out, debating whether to grab it, or 10.0-Gold as my next update. Reckon I need to create some space for a Xen VM to install the bleeding edge in (so I can be maintaining packages there as well as for the stable tree).

Time for bed.

home.rubberturnip.org.uk and gallery.rubberturnip.org.uk have been down for most of the day because of electrical work at the house. Once I got back from college, I opened up the machine they ran on as well to take out some dead hardware (crappy 6 year or so old ATA-66 card and 2 hard drives, 40G and 12G killed by the ATA-66 card). The remaining disk in the machine is only 9G, and 91% full - eek! Took the opportunity of having to power the machine down anyway to do a kernel upgrade.

Induction week continues, and is going well. JGK asked me during his session on note taking that some of us returners were sat in to be available to help if I'd give an impromptu lecture on methods of aiding learning to demonstrate the importance of good notes. That was fun. Of course, tonight is the most important event of the week.

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble ..."

"The anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan was arrested yesterday after she and hundreds of others demonstrated outside the White House."

What happened to her freedom of speech or association?

Have patched OTS to build with GCC 4.x, and am now building the new version of the stable abiword tree (2.2.10), will then rebuild abiword-beta 2.3.99 so both have the OTS plugin enabled again.

In other news, the latest gimp-beta is already uploaded, it's version 2.3.4. Don't expect huge differences from Friday's package other than a sane version number

Officially as of yesterday, because that's when the new academic year really started. So yesterday afternoon was the reception to welcome the new students to college, we had afternoon tea with lots of cakes, and it was lovely. In the evening, we went to the Cadland which was also lovely. We'd spent the morning at church, where I'd done CTP for the 9.15 service, before leading the 11.15.

This morning was the start-of-year communion service, which went very well, and then I went and visited a couple from St Luke's in the afternoon.

Uploading beagle 0.1.0 packages, along with updated versions of some dependencies. The packages have pretty well every possible option enabled, including the Epiphany extension, although that's in a separate sub-package. Also, some of the packages are available optimised for i686, as well as the usual i586. You may want to delete the content of ~/.beagle/Indexes before running the new version.

Congratulations to Neil and Emma who had delivery this evening of Lauren Elisabeth, weighing in at 8lb 11oz just after 18:00 BST. Mother and baby both doing well.

Uploaded gimp-beta packages. The package version is 2.3.3.20050923 because it's today's CVS.

Thanks to Justin for changing the config on Planet SUSE to use the UTF-8 character set, accented characters are now displayed correctly.

Remember my ideal portable audio device? Well, I think I'd like to add a couple of extra features that would make this the perfect thing to carry around:

• PalmOS powered PDA
• Mobile phone (doesn't have to be 3G or anything)
• Clam shell/flip design^*

If any company wants to make a quick buck (well, pound...) make something like this. I can't be the only person who'd buy one.

^*The audio device controls could be on the outside, so you didn't need to open it to listen to music/radio, allowing it to be carried in the pocket. The lid would operate as you would expect for the phone functionality - opening it would answer an incoming call, closing it would end a call - plus it would give access to the PalmOS interface through which all the device's functionality could be controlled.

Welcome to Planet SUSE, Andreas. Andreas created the Yoper distro, but now works for Novell, and is responsible for the SUPER branch of the OpenSUSE project.

Also, Andreas has helped me demonstrate that the new Planet code doesn't fix the Blogger/Atom problem inadvertently.

Have updated the Planet code on Planet SUSE. Hopefully this will fix the problems we'd had in the past with Blogger Atom feeds. To test this, I've switched Andreas's feed back to the Atom rather than the FeedBurner generated RSS. Seems to work, but Andreas, if you could post an entry with more than one paragraph, that would probably serve as a good test. Also, if Antje and Karl would like to be added to the planet, they'd be very welcome, get them to drop me a mail (no mailto: on their blogs). It'll be kinda neat to have a couple of blogs in German on the site.

That's right folks, abiword-beta 2.3.99 is out (along with plugins & clipart), and the packages for 10.0 are uploading as I type this, they'll be available by the usual methods.

Both versions of the sermon seemed to be pretty well yesterday, obviously not perfectly, but well enough for me to be pleased.

Right, got a little distracted from the sermon by the fact that the GNOME Blog applet simply wasn't working in RC1 (nor probably any preceding betas). Tracked the problem down to a hard-coding of the executable's location in GNOME_BlogApplet.server.in - have submitted a patch to fix it, if it doesn't make it into the next release, I'll do an updated package. (This entry is being posted with the applet). That's bug #117629 if anyone cares. Will also check the code in GNOME CVS to see if that's the root of the problem, suspect it's not, but just in case. Now, back to the sermon.

That's right, I've had a busy morning, but I can now announce some changes to the packages I maintain:

• suser-jogley has been merged into usr-local-bin for 10.0, although it will still be available for older SUSE versions as a separate entity.
• usr-local-bin is now available as a YaST repository as well as being accessible via APT, Rad Carpet, and straight, honest-to-goodness FTP/RPM

All the details can be found here.

Uploading the following packages: abiword-beta, abiword-beta-plugins-impexp, abiword-beta-clipart. Note there is currently no abiword-plugins-tools package, as there's a problem with the GIMP plugin at the moment, and Abi won't start if you have it installed. I'm going to see if there's an easy solution, and if there isn't, I'll disable that plugin and rebuild without it.

Update: This is Abi bug #9480, I'll do an updated build in the morning.

My plans for the weekend are very simple:

• Merge usr-local-bin and suser-jogley into one APT component (ulb) and also make it available as a YaST repository
• Hope that my current build of abiword-beta doesn't cause the problems I've talked about in the recent past, and I am able to upload it, ditto gimp-beta
• Look at building beagle 0.1.0 and its dependencies
• Put the finishing touches to Sunday's sermon

Update: As I was typing that list, the build died. Bug #117502.

Had a college pre-term social tonight at our house, a chance for new students to meet each other, as well as some of the returners. Had a really great time, and Steve and Ali who are the guys we're the link for stayed after to chat. Just a great night.

Tomorrow I attack my sermon for Sunday in earnest.

Bug #114173, comment #6: Denied!

Have added the feed from the LJ SUSE Community to Planet SUSE, as well as Lubos Lunak from SUSE Labs in the Czech Republic - welcome on board.

Was preaching at the midweek Communion service this morning. Arrived pretty bedraggled because of the rain. Steve (the vicar) suggested I wear a cassock - fantastic idea, because now I know what they're for: covering wet clothes, plus, I looked like Neo.

Kurt: get Beineri to email me if he wants to be added - I can only add people I know about to Planet SUSE...

Found the LiveJournal SUSE Community, posted this entry about Planet SUSE.

Is your name Pete? If it is, then follow this link right now!

Ah, the middle of the week.

Bug #114173: Make sure you use my patch guys, I want that %changelog entry

Having real problems with building packages, my Acer Aspire 1710 notebook gets very hot (very hot indeed) when the CPU is under heavy use (actually, even with the CPU ticking over at about 3% usage it's hovering around 60^oC), and when that happens for a long period of time, it starts just dropping processes, or gcc experiences internal errors (next time that happens I will log a bug report, I promise). The new AbiWord beta version will be built and uploaded just as soon as I can keep the CPU cool enough for long enough to build it, I promise. Anyone who can donate me a build machine with decent cooling in it will be my friend forever.

Or, I could just wait till I can be involved with official package building...

Welcome to Planet SUSE, Kurt Pfeifle.

Lars: The heartbeat 2.0 release announcement completely passed me by, that's pretty cool beans, nice one to you, AlanR, and the rest of the team.

Bug #113524 is now fixed - thanks to fehr @ SUSE, as may be #116331, if the version included is updated before 10.0 goes gold.

Interesting discussion on the openSUSE list about application startup times, that included this reference to nordi's helpful information on preloading apps. At the moment it only works out-the-box on KDE, but I'm going to give it a test under GNOME, and see how much difference it makes before possibly suggesting the appropriate change is made (probably for 10.1).

Also, elsewhere in the thread, apparently I'm "The Man", which AM at college has also called me. Quite a moniker, and one I'm rather proud of

A simply incredible morning. I don't know how many people there were in Nottingham city centre today at the Make Poverty History event today, but there were at least enough to form a white band of people around the council house on the Old Market Square. Karen and the other speakers spoke eloquently about the Millenium Development Goals, before we marched the (short) distance to the council house.

Once there, the bad weather couldn't dampen the spirits of the many people there showing their support for this immensely important cause. There was drumming, cheering, dancing, it was like a carnival for justice. The local (I assume local rather than national anyway) TV news were there as everyone involved with making the human chain gathered in front of the building.

Photos can be seen in the gallery.

Today is the latest Make Poverty History day of action. It's a day for local action, and so I'll be part of a big white band in Nottingham today. I'll take the camera, and there should be pictures in the gallery later. [More Information]

Welcome to Planet SUSE, Mike McCallister. Mike is writing SUSE Linux 10 Unleashed at the moment.

Further to my comments yesterday, I don't think we should allow ourselves to have a Debian-like interval between releases just because we may adopt a similar model of distro development, the current frequency is about right.

Great comments from Sonja, and since Planet SUSE is one of the ways to communicate, I'll offer thoughts here...

Do we need only one distribution, or maybe three trees I can see the benefit in multiple trees, I thought I'd blogged about this before, but can't find it, so probably not. I would see there being two permanent trees:

• Development
  This is essentially UNSTABLE, and where the bleeding edge work happens. In CVS terms, think of it as HEAD. Anything goes here, within the framework of agreement by the maintainers of the various components.
• Release
  This is as STABLE as we can get it, it's essentially whatever the last release was plus updates (of course there's also the support for previous releases, but that's a lower priority). No API/ABI changes allowed here, same policy applies as current SUSE update policy basically.

Then, there'd be a third tree that would come in as and when required:

• Beta
  You guessed it. This is the roughly equivalent to the current beta programme, represents a fork from Development, exists for the beta test period, and then becomes the next iteration of Release

As for who can contribute I've said before that there are some people (myself, Pascal, Richard B, the PackMan crew for example) who are respected and trusted in the community who would be an obvious first tier of community-based package maintainers. Thoughts?

Well, CD5 had just finished installing when I went to bed last night, did the minimal configuration required this morning, and I have to say this is one niiiice distro. Really, my only gripe is still bug #113524, but I've now uploaded YaST logs for it, which will hopefully help. It's not insurmountable (no pun intended) though, copy /etc/cryptotab from your previous install onto a removable disc of some kind (I stuck mine on my USB drive) and then copy it back into place post-install, then simply reboot and you will be prompted as normal for the passphrase (or to avoid rebooting, run /etc/init.d/boot.crypto start - have fun guys.

RC1 is out. Burning the CDs at the moment, then I'll start it installing while I go and prepare a sermon for next Thursday's midweek communion at St Luke's.

Pascal: if GTK 2.8.0 was ABI-compatible with GTK 2.0.0 (are you kidding me ?) 2.8.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0.0, but obviously, 2.0.0 cannot be forwards compatible with 2.8.0. Cairo should now also be a stable A[PB]I in its 1.0.x tree if I remember right.

Great to see the interview with Pascal "Guru" Bleser, but a couple of comments:

• Point 4: Yeah, I'm also looking forward to the move towards 10.0. Hopefully people like Pascal, the Packman crew and myself who are experienced in package building for SUSE will be able to get more involved.
• Point 5: The major gtk2 upgrade was very important between betas 2 and 3, and would have had API/ABI backwards compatibility . (I confess I can't confirm this from experience, I was on holiday during betas 1 and 2, so beta 3 was the first I actually got my hands on).

If you're on Planet SUSE, and you don't yet have a hackergotchi head and you would like one, please drop me a line.

Downloading RC1 - w00t! JPR's helped fix several GNOME bugs that I'd found in Beta4.

GNOME 2.12 has made it in thanks to the code freeze, AJ mentioned there's a couple of packages that weren't released in time, but they'll be in RC2. Nice.

Really good meeting at St Luke's tonight, and I'm not at all sorry to have missed this wretched display.

I was making my way to St Luke's today, using Nottingham's [pretty good] bus service. On the way, I was listening to Five Live on the AM/FM radio I was bought as a Secret Santa present one year at Pinnacle.net. To be slightly more accurate, I was trying to listen to Five Live, the reception was proving to be a real problem, and it made me think that it would be really handy to have a small (this radio is about 2"x1" and as thick as a AAA battery) DAB digital radio. Then I thought about the full list of specifications that would truly make me a happy bunny:

• Tiny form factor (although perhaps not so small as my current one)
• DAB Digital Radio
• OGG/MP3 playback with decent capacity
• Accessible as USB mass storage (so it'll work v. easily with Linux)

Anyone know of such a beast? If so, let me know...

Apologies for generally being very quiet at the moment, my placement at St Luke's is taking up a lot of time, so all I can really do at the moment is bug work, rather than contribute much on the lists. At some point, they may get flooded with responses from me though

Oh, I'll be able to add people to Planet SUSE if there are more [open]SUSE type hackers out there blogging - just let me know.

Watched the Wales-England match at the pub yesterday afternoon. We had lunch there beforehand, and because they no longer give cash back on debit card payments (because they now have a cash machine that charges), I opened a tab.

Now, at this particular pub, when you open a tab, they basically do nothing. They don't take your card, or swipe it so they have your details, they trust you to pay before you leave. Which is all very well and good, except it wasn't until we had got home and sat down after the match that I realised that I hadn't paid, and we had to go all the way back...

Been at all three services at St Luke's today, all pretty good, but we're pretty wiped now.

Using Openbox on beta 4, because of bug #115196.

Today's lesson is Always check the MD5SUMS of ISO images before burning the CDs. Should have realised that if I didn't check the images, the CDs would inevitably have a problem. The problem is with CD2, so at the moment I have an unusable laptop, and I'm downloading the image again using Amanda's desktop machine.

Update: Just checked the other discs, and only CD1 is good - what are the odds, so will now be redownloading all the remaining ISOs now. Bah!

Got the final two assignments from first year back today:

• CTW104: 61%
• CTP: 65%

That makes CTP my best mark of the year.

About to start installing beta 4...

CDs are burnt and ready to go. Stuff from / that I'll need has been copied onto /home, and cryptotab onto my USB keydrive (see bug #113524).

Will start the install Friday night and do as much as poss before hitting the hay, then pick it up for whichever disc change is due first thing Saturday morning. Then I'm off to St Luke's for the last morning of the holiday club. Then back home to finish it off before heading to the pub to watch the Wales v England match.

The tnef-plugin package will wait till I've installed beta 4, although it builds and installs, I just need to knock up the .spec.

Christoph: I'm just using the deltas to make the beta4 ISOs, starting one going whenever I manage to be sat at my desk. Planning to install on Saturday. Like you, I just couldn't resist

Have dropped Luis from Planet SUSE out of pragmatism. I really respect Luis, but as far as I can make out he's no longer using SUSE, and I think his posts are far more at home solely on Planet GNOME.

I encourage anyone who's interested in QA or GNOME to continue reading his blog, I know I shall.

In other news, first day of placement went really well. Survived a whole morning of doing a kids' holiday club!

Uploading gnome-themes-extras and ulb-themes for openSUSE 10.0. Also uploaded galeon a couple of days ago, but forgot to mention it

Both those themes packages are noarch incidentally, so please feel free to try them on architectures other than x86.

Off to St Luke's in a moment...

Start the full-time part of my placement at St Luke's tomorrow, which I guess means that as of then I'm officially a second year. Blimey!

Not much SUSE work to comment about today, waiting for some stuff back from within Novell at the moment before I can announce the Big Project^TM.

Welcome to Planet SUSE, Holger. Holger is VP for Product Management at SUSE.

I've done updated beagle packages for openSUSE 10.0 (beta 3) to include all the options I normally have enabled (except the Epiphany extension until I build Epiphany itself), and use the "proper" Beagle icons.

The following packages are now available via APT for openSUSE 10.0 beta 3:

• In the usr-local-bin component:
  mail-notification
• In the suser-jogley component:
  camE, giblib

Will be adding more as and when I have time, including Michael's TNEF plugin for Evolution.

Well, it looks very nice, and to demonstrate this, I've done a little gallery of the install as far as seeing the GDM login screen. Image 13 includes a link to the bug associated with what you see. Filed at least one other bug as well.

Plan to do builds of the following excluded packages at some point: mail-notification, galeon, epiphany as well as diving into the abiword package, I think it's about time the plugins and clipart were separated out like in the as-official-as-they-come packages (mine).

Big w00t for the replacement of suseplugger under GNOME with gnome-volume-manager, won't do a replacement gnome-session just to stop susewatcher starting unless people really want me to.

Neil and Emma coming round tonight, Neil and I were housemates in Lancaster for a year, and the two couples - us and them - led worship at each other's weddings. Neil also provides my web space and DSL.

Right, ISOs all downloaded, final CD burning as I type, just about ready to go once a quick query is answered, if anyone knows the answer (it's below) please let me know.

Looks like apt is included, which is pretty cool.

So, my query is this: With 9.3, I had to use twofishSL92 as the encryption type in /etc/cryptotab because I'd created my encrypted filesystem on a previous version. I had to do this manually.

• Will I still have to do this?
• Or will/should it be done automatically?

Well, what to say? It was simply an amazing fifteen days, and we saw God do fantastic things. Most fantastic of all was seeing hundreds of people come to know Jesus. Others received healing - I heard reports of physical healing as well as lots of emotional healing - and lots of people being envisioned and equipped for what God's calling them to.

Personally, we got to see a lot of people we hadn't seen in a while, made some new friends and worked with some really talented and anointed worship leaders, which was a real privilege.

So, some links:

• Soul Action
  This is a new charity that was launched at the conferences. It's backed by TEARfund and is the latest part of the Soul Survivor Family. It exists because to pray for the world's poor is fantastic, but they can't eat prayer. It will envision Christians to serve the last, the least and the lost wherever they are, equip them to do so, and connect them with each other. The first big project will be Soul in the City: Durban in 2009, but you can get involved right now.
• Craig Borlase
  Craig and his wife Emma were in the same cell group as us for a while in Watford, and we saw them at the conferences. Craig's a writer, who's currently working on a new book, as well as doing stuff for Delirious? and TEARfund.

My photos of the conferences are now available in the gallery.

Started going though my Inbox, down to 112 mails in it now.

Beta3 still downloading, CD2 is almost finished, it's going a lot quicker now I've switched to ftp.gwdg.de rather than ftp.opensuse.org.

Had a bit of a cull on blogs on Planet SUSE - removed the ones that had moved more towards talking about Ubuntu than SUSE. If anyone at SUSE can get Holger to email me (I don't have his address) I'd be happy to add him, and anyone else who's working on [open]SUSE.

Sonja: Rock and roll! If only I had a PPC machine to test it on. One of the funnest things I did while I was at SuSE was some of the initial testing when the boxed product was being made available for PPC, getting the bootloader installed on the lime iBook we had in the office was fun fun fun...

Downloading 10.0 Beta 3 (i386) at the moment, will start dealing with mails and backlogs for Planet SUSE tomorrow, although cool to see it listed here.

I'm back.

Please don't flood me with emails (currently downloading 3270 of them!) I'll deal with things over the next few days.

/me sleeeeeeeps...

So just reading through Planet SUSE while waiting for my mail to download^[1], and a couple of thoughts...

• Would be great if openSUSE.org had an RSS feed of latest changes
• We're moving more towards SUSE staffers, which is great, and something I'd wanted from the outset, and would like to see more of -- email me^[2] -- but those non-staffers who I've added over the last year or so seem to be moving to another [great] distro. Now, the great thing about Linux is choice, but I'd like people to let me know if they're not going to be SUSE-oriented, so I know if their feeds need to be removed.

1. Hoping the the final worship leader for this week has emailed me his songs at last
2. Oi! Holger!

Added Sonja's blog. Nice to break the male domination.

• Added link to openSUSE on Planet SUSE
• Connection here is really slow, but trying to check a couple of prospective blogs to also add to Planet SUSE, they may have to wait till I get home though
• Soul Action - look at it

Just a quick reminder since some people seem to have missed, I can't really respond to any queries until the 25th, and I'm bound to have a backlog then.

Cheers all

So people know where I'll be over the next couple of weeks. Annoyingly I'm going to be away when Beta1 of 10.0 comes out, and so won't be able to get testing until I get back. So here's the grand plan for the next two weeks or so:

• Tuesday 9th
  Head down to Somerset to Amanda's parents'.
• Wednesday 10th
  From Amanda's parents' drive to Shepton Mallet for the start of this year's Soul Survivor conferences. We're there for all three events. Hopefully I will be able to be online to check email, maybe even blog, and if time allows, do some translation work for GNOME 2.12. Can't guarantee any of that, so don't expect a response to anything for a while.
• Thursday 25th
  Return to Nottingham, knackered, sleep for a week.
• Wednesday 31st
  Start my college placement at St Luke's, Gamston.

Paul: Setting up a Planet's dead easy, just grab the latest code snapshot from PlanetPlanet and read the docs in the tarball. You need no php (unless you want your HTML to be PHP generated, maybe to draw in includes from somewhere else) and you certainly don't need a DB. All you need is a fairly recent Python install - SuSE's will do just fine. Take a look at the docs, and also the examples included.

Well, today I've gone twenty nine years without dieing - let the festivities commence!

Amanda and I went out for a chinese last night, which was very nice. Went to Republic in Beeston, a very contemporary restaurant. Tonight we're going to The Last Post for drinks and a pub meal.

Oh yes, should mention that my comments about Mozilla and Galeon last night were a comment on the ever-shifting Mozilla API, not Wolfgang's quite proper policy of keeping the packages updated.

If Epiphany's being dropped from 10.0 as well as Galeon, I'd better start doing packages of that too I guess - it is the official GNOME browser after all, however much we may hate it.

A great man has been lost. This is profoundly sad news, Robin Cook was a man of integrity, ethics and insight.

Seems you can get a YUM repository for a version of SuSE by sticking /yum on the end of the URI of the APT respository. So the 9.3-i386 repo is available here.

Thanks, Richard.

Correction: for 9.3-i386 only I think at this time.

With reference to Marcus' post.

The QT vs GTK YaST issue is about two things. The first is consistency of interface. For end-users, it makes sense if the system's central config tool looks the same in its widgets etc as the rest of their desktop. The second is that at the moment, even if you use GNOME, a whole bunch of KDE libraries are loaded at login because of starting SuSEwatcher/plugger. A lot of these also have to be loaded when starting YaST because of the QT dependency. A GNOME desktop with GTK+ front-ends for these tools (eg gnome-volume-manager instead of SuSEplugger) removes this issue to some degree.

With you on Mozilla, man that's a pain in the butt. Everytime Wolfgang builds the new Mozilla, I have to rebuild Galeon.

Oh yes, I use the ncurses version too :)

Seb:

• YaST is written in C++ IIRC
• Polling people is all very well and good, but the sort of poll you're talking about is fraught with problems. Themeing can't just be about what people like, default themes have to be accessible enough that those with accessibility needs aren't prevented from changing the theme appropriately for example. The more neutral the better in terms of colours as well, it's the same as when you're selling a house, make the colour scheme neutral and it's easier for someone to see themself living there
• YUM is actually from Yellow Dog (YUM stands for Yellow Dog Updater Modified), and when Red Hat released their professional edition as Fedora, the core developers took the decision to change to using YUM for package management. One SuSE staffer has made YUM packages available for SuSE 9.0-9.3, and APT can generate YUM repositories quite easily. I wouldn't be surprised to see YUM included in 10.0

Paul: Looks like it could be a SNAFU with $HOME/.gnome2/session - take a look and see if there are two instances of gnome-panel. If there are, familiarise yourself with the format of the file - note the first character of each line and the contents of the final line, and if you feel brave, manually edit it then relogin (don't save the session when logging out).

It's GNOME bug #309506.

Have decided not to update the dbus-1 and hal packages for 9.3 in order to be able to build the GNOME 2.11 version of gnome-volume-manager because it involves an API change, and too many other things depend on it.

Guessing that the betas of 10.0 will have the new API, and they'll also have g-v-m included (see bug #71059 if you have access).

Updated gnome-session and gconf2 packages are now built and uploading. They remove the automatic starting of suseplugger and susewatcher when logging into GNOME, as well as providing this message at first login:

Right, the last few problems have been ironed out, and I now have the full GNOME 2.11 build from SuSE, once I'd got some other packages beaten into submission.

Uploaded some packages yesterday to augment the SuSE lot, and working on gnome-session today, except...

gconf-sanity-check-2 executable not found in your path - should be installed with GConf

Gah! For some reason this isn't in the gconf2 or gconf2-devel package. Looks like I'm going to have to rebuild that first.

Andreas: I think it's a Blogger issue, because the same happens with your blog on planet n.

Can you try switching from Atom to RSS and send me the URL for that - it may be their Atom generator's busted.

And hey, now that we're going all "open" any chance you can bully more SuSE staffers into blogging?

Got my claim for help with health costs back today. Patient Services say that because I'm doing a degree I'm eligible for a Student Loan, and that that takes me over the amount of income they allow, meaning that I'm not eligible. Thing is that because I'm an ordinand, I'm actually not eligible for a Student Loan. They wouldn't believe me over the phone, and the Ministry Division Grants Officer is on holiday. Left a message, and he should be writing me a letter then he gets back, by which time I'll be at Soul Survivor, and so I won't be able to deal with it until I get back.

Watch this space.

A quick "hello" to James the Ubuntu user I bumped into in Beeston Sainsbury's this afternoon. I identified as a fellow member of The Way by the fact that he was wearing this t-shirt:

So, I've been thinking about OpenSuSE, and if it's really for real this time I'm drawing up a wishlist. Some are a bit silly, some are genuine suggestions of the way to go forward.

• Ditch SUSE and go back to SuSE. The old way of "spelling" it was a lot cooler, but let's not go back to S.u.S.E. okay?
• Port YaST's package manager and online update to APT. The sheer number of people who already just switch to APT as soon as they've set up a SuSE box is astounding, and this means that we have native-looking package management tools ready to use already for both GNOME and KDE (Synaptic and the existing YaST QT front-end)
• Extend gnome-system-tools support for SuSE to provide more of YaST's functionality with a familiar look for GNOME users
• Build machine access for trusted external people at least as soon as possible
• Move as quickly as possible to maintenance of some aspects of the distro by community volunteers. The experience of Mozilla, OpenOffice.org, Fedora, and any other commercial offerings that "go" Open Source is that once the community takes over and isn't clouded by the corporate "vision" things can really take off in a big way
• Testing machines would be very nice too so we can break stuff without being unable to work

By the way, blogging this from Stones Deli:Cafe in Nottingham thanks to their 30 minutes of free Wi-Fi access.

Update: Am now online at the Malt Cross thanks to the 30 day free trial with TeleGeneration who provide their Wi-Fi access, and wishing the people at the table with the power outlet would leave, since they're not using it.

Update 2: They moved!

Was sent a link to the current Linux Magazine, on the front page they have a story about Novell doing what a few of us said a while back they should do, and "Doing a Fedora" with SuSE. Thing is that the website that they point to (www.opensuse.org) doesn't exist yet. Here's the output of a bit of digging:

ogley@dhcp1:~> host www.opensuse.org
Host www.opensuse.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
ogley@dhcp1:~> host opensuse.org
opensuse.org mail is handled by 42 lists.opensuse.org.

So, take a look at lists.opensuse.org - there's nothing there. The subscription link takes you to Novell's subscription page where there is no mention of OpenSuSE, and the archives are empty.

Is this a hoax? Does anyone at Novell/SuSE know anything about this?

Oh yes, want to see what we were saying about it almost a year ago?

• My thoughts, 23 October 2004
• Roger's thoughts, 24 October 2004
• Roger again, 29 October 2004

Right, I've templatified (is that a word? I doubt it...) the new look version of Planet SuSE and it now gets generated at the same time as the real version. Take a look and road-test it for me by clicking here. Please do let me know what you think, if you prefer it to the old look, ways in which you think it could be improved, or (perhaps most importantly) serious problems with your browser. If you have a browser problem, please do make sure you tell me which browser, and what version and OS you're using.

Have been working on the updated look for Planet SuSE this morning. The latest iteration is available here, any useful feedback would be, well, useful. I've not tested it with IE yet, but the current version doesn't quite work properly with it anyway. Note that the content of the new version isn't necessarily up to date, as it's not built from a Planet template yet. When I convert it, I'll make both versions available for a period till I'm happy to switch over totally to the new version.

The term MPV stands for Multi-Passenger Vehicle. My mum's old Mini could carry three passengers in addition to the driver. Three huh? Would that make a Mini an MPV?

Why is filling out a form the same as filling in a form?

Rob, Luis: There are still some kinks being ironed out of the 2.11 packages, take a look at he following bugs: 99664, 99665, 99695, 99708, 99709. (Note you must be wither a Novell employee or a SuSE Beta Tester to view those bug reports).

Also, these packages and the Mono packages from Novell don't play nice because of (at least) mismatched libgtkhtml-3.x library versions. The Mono packages are built against gtkhtml2-3.6.x, and the new package is 3.8.x.

Nice one Stefan at SuSE, all problematic packages have now been rebuilt, and as soon as the APT server has them, I'll get on with upgrading, and then the packages I'll be updating can be done.

I should point out that the gstreamer-plugins-default problem is down to a mismatch of version of libcdio caused by the latter trying to be installed from the packman APT component. If there's not a new gnome-panel package posted in the next couple of days, I'll build one against the appropriate evolution-data-server and libwnck.

Oh, and I was right about gnome-session, so I'll be rebuilding that too.

Oh dear. Inevitably, some of the packages were held back while I was doing my apt upgrade, so I then went to install them afterwards, assuming that they required some new packages, and here's the result:

dhcp1:~ # apt install bug-buddy control-center2 control-center2-devel eel
eel-devel evolution evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-devel
evolution-devel evolution-pilot evolution-webcal gedit glade gnome-media
gnome-media-devel gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-panel-devel gnome-panel-doc
gnome-system-monitor gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-plugins-default
gstreamer-plugins-devel gstreamer-plugins-excess gstreamer-plugins-extra
gstreamer-plugins-extra-mad gtk-sharp2 gtkhtml2 gtkhtml2-devel libcddb
libcddb-devel libcdio libcdio-devel libgda libgda-devel libgnome